The conversation centred on what happens when dominant network infrastructures fail or exclude communities, and what kinds of demands and alternatives arise from those ruins. Drawing on our work in Karnataka- documented in the Bidar mesh network project and the APC community networks piece- I shared how mesh networks and local intranets become not just technical solutions but sites for reimagining who gets to build, maintain, and benefit from digital infrastructure. The COWs article distils the principles that emerged from this practice.